The Doctrine of Salvation 9

Transcript of Class taught by Rev. Ernest O’Neill

[Prayer] Dear Father, we trust you now for Gus [student in class]. Trust you Lord Jesus to lay your
hand upon his dear spirit, and to whisper to him. “my peace I give unto you”. Lord Jesus, we trust
you that the peace that comes from you and to a spirit will come in to us whole [Inaudible
0:00:25.5] system and will bring peace and quiet there. Lord Jesus, we pray that you will let that
peace flow into his emotional life, and bring quietness so the [Inaudible 0:00:45.1] will subside.

Lord Jesus, we know that your peace is deeper than any other peace in the whole universe. We thank
you for as much of it as we have experienced in our own lives, and Lord, we pray for it now, in Gus’
life, and then we pray for more of it in our own lives. Lord Jesus, we know it is possible to have
such peace of yours in our hearts that we can come into a room and can sense “dis-peace” in
anybody’s spirit or in their body. And we can be used to bring peace there. Oh Lord, we ask you to
bring us into that peace, and bring us into that depth of our own heart. We ask you so that the
world will continually be reconciled to you, through us, for your glory. Amen.

Dear ones, if you look at the assignment sheet today you’ll see that we would be beginning the
subject of sanctification. What I would like to do for next day is to return the papers that I have
still from some of you on other subjects and return the papers that you’ve done on justification so
that we could maybe spend perhaps fifteen minutes next day just tying up justification. But I just
remind you at this point as we begin the subject of sanctification of the three points that I have
said are kind of the basis for the plan of salvation: how God offered the gift of the Holy Spirit to
us, how we refused, and in refusing, among other things, we developed that selfish will that began
to dominate us so that really, God could no longer offer the Holy Spirit to us with any safety —
and then how he found the solution for that in putting us all into Jesus on the cross, and
destroying us and our selfish will in Jesus.

And so the situation is really like Al coming to me and saying, “Would you lend me your gun?”, and
me — knowing that old Al had a temper that would just enable him to turn right around on anybody
and shoot them dead. And so I realize, look, I can’t afford to give him my gun until he gets rid of
that temper. And then I discover a pill that eliminates bad temper and I say to Al, “Okay I have
this pill and if you take this pill, it will take away your bad temper”. As a result of that, I’ll
be able to, I mean you just shouldn’t be doing it. I mean, isn’t he terrible? He is the most
indignant. He probably stood on you. You probably didn’t stand. You don’t stand on him. You’re
silly. I’m sorry. I bet you didn’t honestly…. Sure you’re a most indignant young man. When I saw
your face you had that look.

But, before you so rudely interrupted me, I was saying that it’s a bit like Al, my going to offer
him. He comes to me asking me for the loan of my gun and me saying to myself, no he has such a bad
temper. I can’t afford to lend him the gun. He’d just wreak havoc with it. And then my discovering
that there’s a pill for a bad temper, and I say to Al, “Now listen. I have a pill for bad temper.
If you come and take it, then I’ll give you my gun.” And it’s a bit like that with the Father. God
knew that our selfish will would utterly prevent us doing anything but misusing the power of the
Holy Spirit. And so, here is virtually God’s pill. God destroyed us and our selfish will in Jesus
on the cross and now God is saying to us, “Look, I have done this. I have destroyed your selfish
will in my son, Jesus. Now, if you will accept that by faith, I am willing to give you my Holy
Spirit.” And that’s really the kind of situation.

And so usually we talk about justification as the state or relationship that takes place when we
accept that God has destroyed us and our selfish will in Jesus. And we say, “I believe that Lord,
now I receive the Holy Spirit.” And this we believe is justification and the receiving of the Holy
Spirit produces the new birth or regeneration.

Now loved ones, here’s the point. God really did destroy our selfish wills in Jesus, and the working
out of that in us personally, is sanctification. I’m willing to go over that again slowly if you
want, but that’s the situation. You see that justification is us accepting that God has destroyed
us in our selfish will in Jesus, and therefore, is willing to give us the Holy Spirit. And so, we
receive the Holy Spirit. Then we experience the new birth. But then after receiving the Holy
Spirit, the Holy Spirit begins to show us that God wasn’t just pretending when he said he destroyed
your selfish will in Jesus on the cross. He really DID and he is able to make that real in your
life. And as you begin to enter into that, you experience sanctification.

So justification is God treating you as just giving you the Holy Spirit, as if you had no bad
temper, as if you were not self centered, as if you were perfectly trustworthy, as if you could
handle the power of the Holy Spirit, only wisdom and good sense, that’s treating you as just. But
sanctification is God making you just, or making you righteous, or making you holy, “sanctus” is the
word holy, but he does it loved ones, by applying what he has done in Jesus on the cross to your
life. And so sanctification is us personally experiencing increasingly the destruction of that
selfish will that took place on Calvary. Do you see the connection? It’s as if I would say to Al,
“Now I can only give you the gun if you are willing to take this pill to deal with your bad temper.”
And he takes the pill and I then say, “Okay, I’m willing to give you the gun.” And I give him the
gun, then he takes the pill and the pill begins to destroy his bad temper. That’s sanctification,
you see.

Sanctification is the actual putting into operation of what God did for us in Jesus, but he had to
do that for us in Jesus in order to be able to give us the Holy Spirit. Now once the Holy Spirit
comes in and begins to work in us, he works to make real in us what God did in Jesus for us. So
sanctification is in a sense the real fulfillment of what God did in Jesus on the cross, and of
course, that’s why I think it’s such a weak gospel to preach that God has achieved his purpose in
Jesus’ death on Calvary the moment you know your sins are forgiven. I think that’s only a part of
what God wished to achieve in Calvary. What God really wished to achieve on Calvary was the
destruction of that miserable, selfish will, so that you could not only receive the Holy Spirit, but
the Holy Spirit could work freely through you. And so, until you begin to enter in to the
experience of that in your life — really, what many of us are is, what you remember the little
diagram that Bill Bright did on the back of the campus crusade booklets — many of us are in that
position: with a little chair, you remember, and I forget how he does himself but, it’s SELF on the
throne, and the cross I think he designates as Jesus’ spirit. Jesus’ spirit is here, at the side of
lives so we’ve received the spirit but SELF is on the throne of our lives. And so the selfish will
is still in control. The Holy Spirit is in there but is unable to be used to spread Jesus’ life
throughout the world. Then you remember, Bill Bright does this other little diagram where in
sanctification of course, the Spirit of Jesus takes its place on the thrown of our lives and the
self takes its place on the periphery of our lives and really experiences that crucifixion.

Loved ones, sanctification broadly speaking then is the actual making real in our lives of what God
did for us on the cross. Justification is the being out in a relationship as if we are just,
because we have believed that God has destroyed us in Jesus, and we have received his Holy Spirit.

Sanctification is the result of all that in our lives. Now would anyone like to press me on that
because I’m game to try to make it clear. [Inaudible 0:03:32.6]

Seems to me the best is better to stick with the scriptural words, Alan. That’s why I keep using
those words in Romans 6:6, “We know that our old self was crucified with him”, and it doesn’t say
self in the sense of our metaphysical self, or our personality or all that kind of thing, but it
says, “We know that our old self was crucified with him”, and I think the Greek word is our old man,
the person we used to be, the old self-dominated person that we used to be that was crucified with
Christ.

Now it seems to me it’s better to say our “selfish will” in the sense of our self-dominated
personality was crucified with Christ. I think sanctification is in two steps. I think the first
step is the realization that our selfish will was crucified with Christ, and a willingness to let
that selfish will go. In other words, I think the first step is, is realization of the principle of
crucifixion with Christ. That realization I think can only come truly by revelation if you are
really willing for that to take place in your own real life. So a realization of the principle of
crucifixion, I think, that’s a first step. That is what for me would have been a crisis experience.

And then, seems to me, there’s the second progressive step. I’m sorry loved ones I’ll just say for
me that it was a crisis experience. I don’t know that it’s crisis for everyone, but then there’s
the second step, the progressive experience of sanctification which is the extension of that death
and of course, of the consequent life, a sorry extension of death and of life through the rest of
our personalities, which is the second fulfillment, you see. It’s really the self-dominated
personality.

But it seems to me that you have to enter into the principle first, and that’s a matter of the will.
Are you willing to enter in that principle? That second step is the extension of that death and of
life throughout our personalities, and that involves our minds and our emotions particularly, but as
well our bodies, because some of us have sleepy, weary bodies that need to experience death and the
life of Jesus. Some of us have minds that are continually going in all directions. We cannot get
them to settle. We’re filled with wondering thoughts and we need to die to our right to have
wondering thoughts and to allow the life of Jesus’ mind to go through us. Some of us are very
emotional people, and therefore, to that extent at times very incapable of doing what Jesus wants us
to do. We need to allow our real death to work through our own natural emotions and allow the
emotions of Jesus to take over. Now I think that’s what we talk about as the progressive part of
sanctification.

This is what we would talk of if it helped you. Those of you know the seminars on Sunday mornings,
we would talk about the baptism of the Holy Spirit in connection with the crisis experience. We
would talk about walking in the Spirit in connection with the progressive experience.

[Inaudible 0:07:51.8] … okay, that’s right, I agree. I’ll just repeat that into the microphone
then. Al is saying that, shouldn’t it be a spontaneous experience? He’s referring to me who points
out that you shouldn’t just will against some sin like anger because you just willing against the
law of sin that is working in you, and you cannot overcome the law of sin. The only thing that will
overcome the law of sin is the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus. And so why is it a
struggle if there should be a spontaneous experience? I think many people read me — and I think
maybe they aren’t at that position in their own lives or they don’t read him listening for, or
looking for their revelation of the Holy Spirit, and so they get into this thing, where it should

be a spontaneous thing.

So I’m just going to let Jesus’ life come through me, and they don’t really know how to do it, or
want to do it or what to do. And I think that is the problem, Al, and the reason for the struggle
is we do not know what in us is keeping Jesus’ life from flowing through us freely. In other words,
I think [Watchman] Nee uses the example of the law of gravity: a handkerchief will always fall to
the ground — that’s a law of gravity. Unless you bring another law of motion or a force into
effect, and you lift it up with your hand — and I think the law of the spirit of life in Christ
Jesus is not able to work in us because we are not fully aware in what way we are still cooperating
with the law of sin and death.

That’s why I think the first thing with a problem like, say anger, or selfishness — the first job
we have is seeking the Holy Spirit’s revelation, really counseling with them over as long as we need
to — a day, a month, a year, but preferably shorter than that — but counseling with them and
saying, “Holy Spirit, why do I get angry?” Or, “Why do I criticize other people?” And we have to
find out where we are still living in sin without really knowing it, where we have an attitude of
sin in regard to criticism without really knowing it. And gradually, if we seek the Holy Spirit, he
will show us that perhaps we criticize because we are still very, very uncertain of our own status
in this particular group that we belong to. We are still very uncertain of our status. We really
still don’t feel if we’ve really been accepted by them or if some of them are still rejecting us.
We use criticism to try to persuade ourselves that they ought to certainly accept us because we look
at the things we can see are wrong in some of them that they can’t see.

And so, I’m not saying that that will apply to all of us here but, the Holy Spirit will show us in
some way how we are making it impossible for the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus to free
us from this criticism — because the criticism in its turn depends on the mountain of an attitude
of sin that is preventing God doing anything with that. And then, the Holy Spirit brings us around
to the place, “Would you be prepared to be rejected by this group? Would you be prepared to face
the fact that maybe you are the poorest person in this group? That maybe you are the most
incompetent person? That maybe you are the person that are worth least respect in this group?
Would you be prepared to join Jesus in the cross and be despised by this group as he was?”

And then it seems to me as you enter into that kind of revelation and as you submit your will in the
right way, whatever the particular way is that the Holy Spirit will show you, then that does take
place. The law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus rises. I found that in my own life the anger
was gone, the selfishness was gone. Well, I think I’ve shared often the things that God dealt with
me in my life — but one of the rights that I felt I had was to avoid awkward situations, or at
least to put them off to a more convenient time. Well I think I mentioned this to some of you
before, but one of the most exhausting, and trying, and wearisome tasks I think that a pastor faces
is marital difficulties that have gone the length of divorce and are just on the verge of divorce.
It is just an agonizing business trying to drag a marriage back from the edge of divorce. Even
marital difficulties well before divorce at least both partners are still on speaking terms and they
have not really let the hostility overcome the peace completely, but when it comes to divorce,
you’re involved with dragging people back from the edge of a cliff, and then trying to build a
healthy marriage.

After I entered into that — I mean I know it sounds corny to say but I know the morning I entered
into that. The Holy Spirit gave me just a quiet sense that he had filled me, and then the Holy
Spirit said to me, “Phone that lady”. Now this was a lady that was just on the edge of divorce, and

normally, whenever the thought came to me, “You should go and call that lady”, I would normally say,
“Well that’s stupid Holy Spirit. I mean I don’t just have to lift the phone receiver just because
you tell me to lift the phone receiver. I’m not dumb, you know. I can think about the thing for
awhile.” And I would think about it for awhile and then I would say, “Well anyway, that was
probably just a silly thought to lift the receiver that moment and I’ll wait till I see her at
church. In fact, maybe she’ll phone me just at the right moment.” and I will just keep putting the
thing off.

And the amazing thing was the Holy Spirit said, “Phone that lady. Just phone her immediately and
walk right into the mess.” And for me there were other things: the anger, and the selfishness,
and the envy, and the selfish ambition — you know a lot that stuff. It was just gone. But that
was for me. It involved many things, but it was a spontaneous freeing from those things that I had
never experienced before.

So I can testify to the fact that it is a spontaneous freeing. But the mistake I think many of us
make is we think that, “This law of this spirit of life in Christ Jesus will lift the law of sin and
death away from me, whether I am willing to be freed from the law of sin and death or not.” That’s
not true. You have to be willing to be freed from the law of sin and death, and to be freed from
the law of sin you have to know where that law of sin is operating in you.

It might help, Don, or some of the others who haven’t read that chapter: if Kathy says something
and that’s critical of me, and I react and just strike out with sarcasm against her, then that’s
just one sin. But if that continually happens, then that’s a law of sin That’s taking scientific
definition of a law as a series of events that keep happening the same way all the time. Well then,
that’s a law of sin that’s working within me. And what can free you from that law? You must admit
it’s almost as if some internal mechanism in you is set up to react that way. That’s almost what
you find. You keep reacting that way. You can’t control it. You make desperate attempts with your
will to control it, but it keeps on operating.

Now, I think what the Holy Spirit has to do is show us the inner mechanism there, and ask us, “Are
you willing to be freed from that inner mechanism?” Many of us say, “Oh yes we are, but we don’t
know what it is.” So if you had said to me, “Are you willing to be freed from bad temper?” I
would have said, “Yea, yea, yea.” And if you would have pressed me and said, “Are you willing to be
freed from the inner mechanism?” I’d say, “Yea, yea.” But I didn’t know anything about what that
inner mechanism was until the Holy Spirit showed me what the inner mechanism was. It was simply
this, which I’ve shared with you before, that I use bad temper as a last resort to prevent a thing
getting out of my control. If a situation seemed to be getting out of my control I would let the
old temper rip. I knew that would kind of make other people at least frightened and then maybe the
thing would come back under my control.

And so the little clicking trigger or the first cog in that inner mechanism was that I wanted to
have control of every situation and I did not want any situation to be outside my control. I was a
school teacher at that time and that seemed particularly reasonable to me: that no situation should
be outside my control. What I didn’t see was that there was another possibility that you could
trust Jesus to control the situation, but I felt no. I had to have control of it myself. And so
for me, that was part of what I had to be willing. So that’s what I would say to get that. It
isn’t just a matter of easy believism. It isn’t just a matter of I believe that Jesus life will
spontaneously come through me and overcome my bad temper. It is rather, “Am I willing to be freed
from this law of sin?”

[Inaudible 0:08:34.9], that’s good. I don’t claim to know [Watchman Nee] through and through, but I
know “The Normal Christian Life” quite well, and I know “The Spiritual Man” which is the only book
he wrote thoroughly. I think I could fend to know it thoroughly and I think, Al. that “The Normal
Christian Life” is still a series of talks that he gave on different occasions and different
situations that people who have taken short hand and notes, then put together in the book of “The
Normal Christian Life”. Though it’s good I don’t think for instance that it’s an absolutely
full-proof presentation that he gives in that chapter that you’re talking about.

I think at times he does leave it open for some uncertainty. For instance, I have no doubt that he
believes that revelation — that’s what I’m talking about — revelation where I’m saying the Holy
Spirit has to show you. But I really do believe that he means by revelation, not just a quick
spontaneous flash, but something that comes as a result of our hungering and thirsting to know,
“Lord, show me why I keep losing my temper.” So I do think that that’s right when he says that. I
agree with you, I’m not wild about his example of, have you ever found yourself in a [Inaudible
0:01:09.5]. But I think that he’s trying to say the same things and all that. I think he just mixes
the thing up a little in that one talk that he obviously gave to some group of people where maybe he
had dealt with some of the other issues immediately before, and they didn’t take short hand notes of
it.

But I would think that this in fact, I would one of my great confirmations would have been to find
that Nee seems to have come into some experiences as I had come into. It seemed to make sense the
things he said. [Inaudible 0:01:49.0]? Yes, it seems to me Kathy while we are seeking to come free
of the whole thing, we have to walk in the truth of 1 John 1:9, “If we confess our sins, he is
faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” And the
truth that Jesus taught when he said to Peter, “You will forgive until seventy times seven”,
implying that his father would forgive us until seven million times seven. So we have to walk in
the truth of confession and repentance of sin — repeatedly.

Even if we’re still walking in bad temper when we die, we still have to walk in the truth of
confession and repentance. But I think what we’re seeing here is that there is a deeper deliverance
that will enable you to walk free from that bad temper and enable you to walk at least free from
this never ending confessing and repenting of the same sin.

But until we enter into that deliverance, I think you have to walk in the assurance that God will
forgive you as often as you repent. [Inaudible 0:03:11.6] Ah, that’s right. And that I was going to
say another thing to Al in connection with the phrase that he used because Charles Finney is very
good — maybe you’d remember that what you just said. But he’s very good where he says, “Many
people say, ‘Oh but I want to be free of this bad temper. I want to be free.’ And you say to them,
‘Are you willing to be free?’ And they say, ‘Yea, I’m really willing to be free. I’m really
willing.’” And Finney points out, there are two ways in which you can mean that. You can mean I’m
willing in the sense that I won’t. I desire to be — and everybody desires to be free from their
bad temper. But do you want it in the sense that you’re willing to face the consequences of being
freed from it? So many people say, “I want it,” but some of them mean I desire it very much, but I
am not willing to face the consequences. But the only kind of wanting that will enable God to give
you the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is, “I am willing to face the consequences of that” — which
may mean, “I’m willing to be despised in this group. I’m willing to be looked down upon. I’m willing
for things to be outside my control.” It’s that kind of thing.

But I’m sorry, Kathy, you said, could you just mention the phrase again and bring it back to my
mind? [Inaudible 0:04:46.1]. That’s right, where some say, “Yes”, because some people say that the
Holy Spirit will point out or somebody else will point out their anger and they’ll say, “Oh yea,
well I’ll wait for revelation about that.”

I mean it sounds wild but even if with the kind of stuff that I preach on Sunday nights, and Sunday
mornings, a dear brother came up to me — and I really think it’s almost Satan to seize a person at
that moment because he said to me something about a personal sin he had. And I said, “Well, boy.
You’d better get to the cross from the Holy Spirit just why you’re doing that. And he said, “Well,
I mean I can’t do that. I have to wait for revelation. Can you give me revelation?”

Meanwhile, I continue to lose my temper until God gives — well it seems to me — God only gives the
revelation to those who hunger and thirst after righteous with all their hearts. He’ll only give it
to people who cannot do without it. And [Inaudible 0:05:49.4] is so good. You know he says God is
a hidden God and will reveal himself only to those who seek him with all their hearts.

It seems to me revelation only comes when you see God. I remember yearning until I thought I’d go
insane, yearning to get revelation about why I was so proud and why I was so proud I tell you. And
I knew that technically it was self. I knew it was self that made me so proud. But I could not see
the hatefulness of that self, standing up on its own two little legs and being proud. And it is
like a miracle when I look back. I do know the change that comes about in your attitude, and now,
even as I say that, I’m not saying that Satan isn’t able to drag you back into it.

But it is an incredible change that comes into your attitude when the Holy Spirit shows you the
exceeding sinfulness of being proud, or the exceeding sinfulness of thinking your anything. But it
seems that that’s what’s needed, Mary. [Inaudible 0:07:01.5] It seems to me that you can’t Mary,
because one of the things that happens is when self is on the throne back there when you’re a carnal
Christian is you cannot get clear light on things because self is on the throne. The Holy Spirit is
just periphery of your life you’re not able to get clear light on things.

You get light from the Holy Spirit, “Look, here’s a sin in your life but you’re not able to do
anything about it. You strive against it and fight against it and maybe overcome it for awhile but
you fall back into it.” So you might get light about individual sins but you’re not able to get
light about the root of sin, about the heart of sin, and I think you only get that as you’re
sticking to come into this crisis experience where you’re delivered from self, and where the Holy
Spirit goes on the cross. And then after that moment, the Holy Spirit is able to give you light in
this and about other things.

But for instance, these areas here refer to personality traits that are inexpedient. I remember the
Holy Spirit showing me after I entered into some experience of crucifixion, “You had a great deal of
trust in your intellect in the old days, and a great deal of pride in your intellect. Do you know
that at times when people ask you questions you give them an unnecessary amount of intellectual
information? If the Holy Spirit said that before I probably have said to him, “Oh well, I have a
lot of other messes in my life that are far worse than that. I’ll get to that eventually.” Or I
might not have even seen the point he was making, so I would think that a person has not even the
sensitivity to see these personality traits unless they come into this experience of the Holy Spirit
taking his throne place in your life. Seems to me he’s the one gives you the light.

[Inaudible 0:09:37.3] No, it seems to me back here in the new birth, Mary, I don’t know that there’s

any reason why he can’t. Maybe, I suspect that what happens to most of us is, he does really jump
into that throne room position, But about two or three weeks after we have been walking with Jesus,
we get cocky and get a little uppity, or we look at other people and we see the way they’re being
able to do what they want and follow Jesus at the same time. And I think that’s when we slide him
off into the peripheral position, and slide self back on the throne.

So it might well be that for the first two or three weeks. The Baptist Church says, “At the most
the first two years”, but at least for a while the Holy Spirit might be on the throne. For
instance, I’ll point out to you what most of experience when we first receive Jesus into our lives:
we experience a readiness to do anything for it. Getting up for prayer was no problem, witnessing –
we’d do anything for him. But gradually we tried to accommodate him to our pattern of life, and we
tried to get back to normal, and we kind of slit him off.

But really Mary, now I don’t see why a person couldn’t simply walk on after the new birth and walk
on into this. But it seems that few of us seem to do it. I remember John Wesley saying there’s no
reason why that can’t happen, but in the 572 people he interviewed carefully in the English revival,
he didn’t find one. He found one girl who had entered in 12 hours after or something like that.
But, so, [Inaudible 0:01:31.8] Yes, that’s right. It seems to me very important to see that there
is nothing that God will not forgive us except blasphemy. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the
technical meaning of blasphemy — is speaking against the Holy Spirit by saying, “You are not the
Holy Spirit”, in other words, refusing to listen to the voice of the Holy Spirit, hearing the voice
of the Holy Spirit convicting us and saying, “You are not the Holy Spirit.” In other words, giving
up any distinction between right and wrong, and that’s the only unforgivable sin. Frankly, I think
whether it is right when he says, “If anybody is worried about whether they have committed the
unforgivable sin or not, then they can be sure they haven’t committed the unforgivable sin because
if they had, they wouldn’t even worry about the possibility. They would be so sure that they were
right.

God will forgive until seventy times seven, and I think that means until seven million times seven.
But what he does want us to see is that there’s an alternative to struggling, struggling hopelessly
against individual sins. That’s like trying to break up an ice berg just by breaking up the stuff
on the surface of the water when there are nine tenths of it underneath. It’s the nine tenths of
the stuff that has to be dealt with which is the self.

Now of course, what God wants among us is such a free fellowship of people who love him and who want
to be like him. Kathy can be in a position where she’s still fighting the old temper. Marianne can
be in a position where she has come into deliverance from the old self. Don can be in the position
where he’s been delivered from the old self and the Holy Spirit is beginning to deal with him about
just personality traits that are inexpedient. Joyce can be just born of God. And yet we can all be
walking along together in joy and fellowship, and obeying God and not pointing at one person saying,
“You’re not a Christian because God isn’t dealing with you about this.” — but each one dealing with
the Holy Spirit at their particular level and yet looking upon each other as equals before God
because we are if we’re walking in the light.

If Joyce has just become a Christian last week, and is walking in all the light that she’s had, and
has never even thought about bad temper and anger yet and maybe there in her life — but if she’s
walking in all the light that she has, she is in as a beautiful position as Brian, who has maybe
been filled with the Holy Spirit and is walking in the upper reaches of intercessory prayer and all
the rest of it. It seems to me that the important thing is, are you walking up to the level of

liability God has given you?

[Inaudible 0:04:42.2] Well push him because I tried to find some word that would indicate what the
bible means when it talks about the soul, and the distinction between soul and spirit, and what the
bible talks about when it deals with “breaking of the outer man”. It seemed to me if you talked
about, after being filled with the Holy Spirit, after being crucified with Christ, you need to have
your outer man broken.